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16:48 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
and thats the way the cookie crumbles
dgeneratio
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16:49 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Anyone getting fed up of repeating themselves?


was fed up hours ago, nothing new though on Pool i spent three days explaining the same thing explaining that in one sides fixtures that defaults are acceptable.

Those three days i thought i was going loopy and the rage from repeating myself showed as my words changed as time went on i got more annoyed and started to feel it now as got someone who wants 100% Ranked games and someone on Pool pressuring me to sub even though they knew my feelings.

Don't know which one is worse tbh..
chezz
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17:10 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
"IT'S ALL GONE QUIET OVER THERE"
quickpot_147
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18:02 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
'WE'VE FORGOT THAT YOU WERE HERE'

dgeneratio
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18:12 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
stop shouting, may cause an earthquake
daviking
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18:43 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
its simple to everyone else but you think if you want ranked it has to be ranked when it isn't the case as the opponent has to agree.


Not at all, thats what you think, not me. I think the rule as it is, as I have said from the outset, is perfect.

The problem was (which has wrong been resolved, but people on here seem obsessed with constantly repeating the same thing instead of just reading and understanding) that I was told when I first expressed and interest that all clan games had to be friendly, this I did without any argument, yet it turned out I had been lied to.

I really don't see why this has dragged on so long when it was all sorted ages ago

So on to something that is relevant :

You don't gain or lose Rank and that is the point of League games.


Maybe not at the time, but its the knock on effect on your and your future opponents rank is clear. (numbers here are hypothetical before you say anything :-) )

Say you are on 700 rank. You play and lose 5 friendlies against a player on 600.

Your rank should now be about 675, but instead its still 700.

You then go back to playing normally, you play a 700 rank player. If you win, you have lost out because you don't gain as much rank as you would have if you were 675. If you lose, then you lose even more because again you should have been at 675.

Thats why I don't understand the logic.
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18:54 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Personally I want to choose who I play ranked games against.
a 5-1 win in a clan game is a good result, so why should I come out of it with less rank if I'm playing someone with a really low rank (like yourself).
I see why you want them all ranked cos if you somehow fluke a frame against a high level player your rank goes up by 20 and if not you lose nothing.
The same way if I play someone like evarvt in carom and I get a 6-0 spanking, I lose all my rank to boot.
I think a few people would leave the league if ranked games were introduced and I'd probably be one of them.
You aren't playing for rank, you're playing for a team and that should be the incentive and reward
daviking
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20:44 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I get that, and its great to be part of a team.

But say you were an 800 rank and played a 600 and lost all five.

If the games were friendly wouldn't it drive you crazy knowing your rank was now effectively meaningless?

It has nothing at all to do with how much is won or lost, its about maintaining the integrity and meaningfulness of the ranking system.
chezz
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20:50 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
But surely the amount of wins and losses count for that too?
daviking
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20:57 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I hadn't thought about that, I had misunderstood in thinking that friendlies were just games played for no stats, but clearly I just didn't wait long enough for the results page to catch up.

If they are counted towards wins and losses that makes the idea of non-ranked games even more crazy. Are they?

Here's a way to think about it - say somebody said they had found a way of playing ranked games but could lose 10 games without losing any rank. Would you consider that cheating?
dgeneratio
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21:37 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
If the games were friendly wouldn't it drive you crazy knowing your rank was now effectively meaningless?

It has nothing at all to do with how much is won or lost, its about maintaining the integrity and meaningfulness of the ranking system.


rank is meaningless now anyway.

If they are counted towards wins and losses that makes the idea of non-ranked games even more crazy. Are they?

Here's a way to think about it - say somebody said they had found a way of playing ranked games but could lose 10 games without losing any rank. Would you consider that cheating?


No because the opponent agreed to 'Friendly' games. I only play Friendlies as i dislike Ranked. Once or twice i have played Ranked as i don't care about Rank but i like the freedom of smash breaking then clearing, something you can't do in Ranked.

In a friendly you play for one win and that is pretty much it unless you score a break. In League you still play for one win in friendly but you get safety play as their is something on the line which is points for your team.

If you really want to play just Ranked then may as well leave the League as not everyone likes Ranked games. May as well stop talking about it as it won't be changing.
daviking
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22:14 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I don't want anything to change! Why are you so obsessed? It is perfect as it is please stop endlessly repeating the same thing

I think you are missing the point - lots of people rant about "resetters" and "fake newbies", yet the fact is that people who play friendlies are the real problem with the rank system.

I disagree about rank meaning nothing. It means more now than ever, but only if you play the game properly.

And again you miss the point saying an opponent agrees to a friendly, its not the immediate players that are affected, it is all future opponents, and to not consider that is frankly very selfish.
quickpot_147
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22:44 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
if you dont want anything to change, why the hell did you bring the up point anyway, it just doesnt make sense.
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22:46 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Can we just drop this now its getting thoroughly boring. If it continues I'll ask admin to remove this thread.. Would it not be beneficial to discuss pointless topics via private messages?
dgeneratio
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22:49 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
nah it doesn't, if your a premium member you can take advantage of players being on new java and you win free rank as they freeze. You agree with free rank, basically 'cheating' the system as you say? i don't think so. Not the premium guys fault of course but still free rank.

Also i saw many tournaments with like four members and in one case i saw destroyer (not singling you out mate) win a tournament as no one entered, it makes tournaments no prestige anymore and not worth entering as i want to earn my wins and not build it up by winning with like 3 entries.

Maybe tournaments has changed who knows.
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22:53 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree james i do win tourns unfairly but theres nothing i can do to remedy that unfortunately
dgeneratio
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22:56 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
true mate, gone downhill sadly, been about 8 months since i entered a tournament, going to try and get it to a year which means no tourns for me until Jan 2017

I do miss old Orig days where i had to earn my wins
chezz
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23:09 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Why is this still an issue, lets get a few things straight here:

daviking was complaining that ranked games should be in clan games because it's A) it's not a fair representation of the players true skill and B) it doesn't show up on their profile.

So lets get this cleared up...

A) If a player has got a high rank, it's because they've earned it, by risking their rank in tournaments and ranked gamed, if they haven't, why should it matter, it's themselves that they're cheating, not you, is it going to affect you? No, does it affect your rank? of course not, so why whine about it, it's them that's going to end up suffering anyways, because when they do play a ranked game against someone who has earned it, they'll get stung

A2) Also, people in clans aren't there for their rank, it's from there merit, I've made a clan that brought in people due to their rank, it never worked, people in clan games are there because people know how good they are, most people in clans are on a first name basis, they know what they can do, the way I see it, clan leagues are so they can put these juggernauts against each other, also, as you have pointed out on several threads on several occasions, it's a game, why are you moaning about petty things like this, it's completely irrelevant

B) You say friendlies don't show up on your profile, you've been point blank proven that it does
chezz
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23:13 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
You've been told not one, not twice but... you know what, it's too late to count, a lot of times that you CAN have ranked games if you want, but only if the other person agrees

The clan rules have been like this for years, you and your constant *female dog*ing is not going to change it, the rules are here to stay, get over it or get out, because you're seriously doing not only mine, but everyone elses tree in
chezz
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23:15 Thu 4 Aug 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm tired, and when I'm tired, I don't take any *faeces*, can we please, finally, cap this thread
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