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jay_afc
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21:25 Sun 13 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Would that not favour mainly Original and Regular players?
dgeneratio
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21:33 Sun 13 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
not really no, would mostly benefit power, and maxes would benefit arc, ive evened it out best i can (just like on Bonus League)
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22:16 Sun 13 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Good idea, easy to do and would encourage the people who only try and winb by any costs in clan games to come out of their shells a bit more and hit big breaks.

But chances are Seb would win every time and we wouldn't want to make him feel good about himself now would we?
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22:17 Sun 13 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
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jay_afc
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00:18 Mon 14 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
It would be Regular and Original players that have more chances of halfs and cents that would have the advantage at the end of the day. It works fro clans, but not individuals. Also, with having the individual league, is that not enough? Seems like things would be steering away from 'clans' as being the main focal point.
whocares8x8
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17:15 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Good point at the end there jay, we won't introduce this.

dgen has for a long time been interested in a long-term clan ranking system.
adam_147 has come up with a system that will achieve this. We're (mostly him) still playing with the numbers and the equations but are hoping to have it up on the website for the new season. It will take into account results and achievements over the last 3 seasons and can be updated after each fixture set. Details will be posted when it's ready.


Although the plate final is still going on, we can use this time to talk about possible changes for next season.

If anyone has any comments, suggestions, or questions please post here so that they can be discussed!
adam_147
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17:28 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
May as well get it in early, I think completion bonus is too big compared to points available in the fixture. As we saw this season, the results of each game clearly showed that FSE were far ahead of the others (without being biassed), but only just won the league. The FBL on pool uses 6 points completion bonus for a 48 frame match, I suggest this would be fairer for our 54 frame matches.

I agree the completion bonus has to be kept though!
whocares8x8
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17:32 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
The only thing I want to keep in place is that a captain should never think that a late sub is not worth getting the bonus points. If for example the captain knows his sub will get spanked 6-0, he might not make the sub when the bonus is only 6. He will definitely make the sub if the bonus is 10 currently.

That was the original reasoning behind making it 10 points.
But as you said, 10 points is a lot on the league table, so if enough people agree, then it can be lowered.
ill_be_there
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17:33 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
i would love a clan ranking system, maybe even a player ranking system within the clan league????

I also think completion bonus is a bit too big, maybe 7 or 8 instead of ten????
whocares8x8
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17:34 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Clan ranking system will be there for the new season, we'll post when it's ready.
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17:37 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
You could make the bonus 7. I also think there should be a win bonus of maybe 5-10 points for when your clan wins the match.
adam_147
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17:38 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
If he doesn't sub, then he gets 0 points, but if he does then he gets 6 points + the off chance the sub nicks a frame. I think if it is lowered then defaults needed to be harsher on captains not subbing when subs are available.
whocares8x8
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17:40 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I personally hate the win bonus (on pool) because it makes it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the top clans.
ill_be_there
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17:40 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
maybe have a sub reequirements where if there is a valid reason to sub with like 5 days left to deadline, maybe a sub could be ordered if it is possible??? would stop clans not subbing for any reason
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17:42 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I personally hate the win bonus (on pool) because it makes it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the top clans.


That's the point it separates the best from the rest. And 5 points I think would be a good number for the bonus so that people can still catch up
whocares8x8
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17:45 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I personally hate the win bonus (on pool) because it makes it even more difficult than it already is to compete with the top clans.


That's the point it separates the best from the rest. And 5 points I think would be a good number for the bonus so that people can still catch up
That's true, but the scores themselves already separate the best from the rest. Adding bonus points for a win just makes the already large gap (this is the first time in many seasons that a third clan has competed) even bigger.
Not sure this would help competition- the top clans would just run away with it with a couple of fixtures to go.
ill_be_there
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17:47 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
we need to try and get every match we can completed this season and work from there i think
adam_147
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17:48 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
With the ranking system I'm working on, there are better points on offer if you beat top clans than the bottom ones so that for me is fairer than a win bonus.

What is possible maybe is for a rival bonus? This season, top 3 and bottom 3 were quite z distance apart. Could have a win bonus for beating another clan in that group?

Eg:
FSE 30-24 Vikings (10 win bonus for FSE)
FSE 27-27 D&C (5 bonus each)
FSE 36-18 Allstarz (no bonus)
Black ballers 32-22 Allstarz (10 bonus for BB).

This would mean the best of the lower group could challenge the bottom of the top group making things closer...
ill_be_there
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17:54 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
yeah thats sounds good, and maybe ajust the 'rivals' bonus in the mid season transfer window according to league positions then???
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17:55 Tue 15 May 12 (BST)  [Link]  
What about new clans where do the likes of Anger Management fit in with this?
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