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dgeneratio
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16:16 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
EDIT: Heres an idea, any member who feels the same way, play friendlies as a Guest. Can press "No" and not lose Rank, Not ideal but it beats the system.
daviking
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16:19 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
What on earth are you ranting on about?

You can't be "an 800 rank player" unless you play anyone and everyone and never play non-ranked games and then have a rank of 800. Thats the ONLY way you can truely have that number.

Giving any possible option for non-ranked games just ruins the site.
dgeneratio
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16:25 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
not really as i play friendlies for FUN, F.U.N, FUN, i don't play safeties in friendlies, smash regardless of no pot etc as nothing is on the line but one frame on your account.

In Ranked i would Snooker off the break, play safety (not tapping), and be tactical as you have something at stake, same in League games and not really fun for me but i do enjoy competition.

Two different styles for Friendly and Ranked so if the site forces you to enter tournaments or only play Ranked then i'll do it as a Guest. If its Ranked all the time then i won't play as i detest Ranked games, I don't mind Friendly Tournaments but thats as much as i'm prepared to go.
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16:32 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Nick hasn't been on the game for a long time especially in terms of speaking with the players who spend time on his game, no updates have been coded for several years and likely won't going forward.

Any discussion is really just ''What if'' now on the forums, where as before a lot of ideas were taken into consideration, until Nick or if he decided to change it up and advertise the game more modernly it will definitely be at an advantage going forward, real shame the state of the game.
dgeneratio
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16:47 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
true mate, part of me is glad (only about force tournaments thing in case he agreed then i'd be powerless) but most of me isn't as got ideas like Snooker + but won't happen
d_legend
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17:57 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  


I was hardly abusive, it's just that you post idiotic comments deliberately trying to wind people like myself up.

-It is human interaction. This is human interaction, I'm a real human, you are a real human, we are communicating, therefore this is human interaction.

-The problem isn't the game's programming & tourny system etc. it's just a lack of players online as well as a bad ratio of how many players play arcade compared to everything else.

-You may not give a damn about the ranks but I do and i don't want to have to come across a player like dgeneratio one day in my ranked original snooker lobbies and his rank is like 500 because he didn't play in hundreds of tournaments which he got automatically entered into but chose not to play. Can you please just get this into your brain? In general the rank system gives me a good indication of where everyone's level is at before i play them, because right now it's fairly accurate. Your system would massively skew everyone's rank, disinterest people in playing anymore; but in my mind it wouldn't even get to that stage, no one would play anymore because it would just be that bad. Some people like me just want to log in, create a lobby, and play a friend (or even a stranger) for half a dozen frames or so and then go do something else. Do you understand how much it would interrupt me if every minute it was forcing me into playing other game modes instead? F that, I want to do my own thing.
d_legend
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18:01 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Jon Jones is right. Any discussion about your ideas is just a "what if", so if you really REALLY care passionately about your idea, create your own website and create your own system and we'll see how well you do with it. If not, leave it and shut the F up.
dgeneratio
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19:02 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
i don't want to have to come across a player like dgeneratio one day in my ranked original snooker lobbies and his rank is like 500 because he didn't play in hundreds of tournaments which he got automatically entered into but chose not to play.

^ yep, basically my point, same as resetting basically. My rank is too low as it is but 780 for me isn't bad anyway but i don't have the time or motivation to get it up. i could if i really wanted but would do a Craig and enter every Orig Tourn with few entries.

Arc and Reg are low, Reg especially but i don't like Ranked games
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19:35 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio Exactly and the way the ranking system is now in terms of how low players are ranked due to inactivity, anybody around 820+ is basically a virtuoso, a 700 is an 800 etc etc.

That's down to 80% of the site not playing or just aren't good enought to get up there (No disrespect to anybody) so getting to around 850+ is like getting to 950 about 5 years ago, if anybody can get to 900 in this day and age is very impressive considering the lack of points available

Which leads to the finishing point of why this idea wouldn't work, what is somebody wins on the bounce to get a good ranking they targeted only to lose it out of their hands, it's not fair at all, like I said, you could go back to friendly tournaments and it would be fine and just double the ranking points in normal games.
dgeneratio
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19:46 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
daviking
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19:59 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Which leads to the finishing point of why this idea wouldn't work, what is somebody wins on the bounce to get a good ranking they targeted only to lose it out of their hands, it's not fair at all, like I said, you could go back to friendly tournaments and it would be fine and just double the ranking points in normal games.


How would it be out of their hands? Thats madness. If you lose or do not play you should lose rank points, plain and simple. If tournaments were not ranked they would be completely pointless.

How can any ranking system of any kind mean anything at all if there is any option to hide from it?

Imagine this : A player has a lot of free time and comes on and plays ranked games to get to 850 points. Then they stop playing ranked games but keep on playing non-ranked games. The moment the first non-ranked game is over their rank no longer means anything, it is a false indicator.

-It is human interaction. This is human interaction, I'm a real human, you are a real human, we are communicating, therefore this is human interaction.


Haha am I seriously reading this? I am not interacting with a human, I am sitting at a laptop typing words that will end up as data on a webserver. Thats it, thats all it is. Just ask yourself, if you went to log on in an hour and this website, or any other for that matter, had been deleted, would it matter? Has anybody gone anywhere?
dgeneratio
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20:37 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
so is playing guests as its a mystery as in ability and false indicator but no one says anything, could be a Newbie or a Virtuoso.

We all know because of Nick's absence it won't be implemented but going to stop before i get a headache and annoyance trying to explain things.

Can't win so no point in trying to counter discuss...
crazy_dave
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21:05 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I get fed up of reading this thread at times, someone has an opinion and if you don't agree it doesn't make their opinion wrong. This isn't aimed at anyone but this thread is like a round about going in circles because people don't agree. You can all debate the pros and cons but all cases don't mean one is right. The stuff about being forced made me chuckle Dgen, so if you were made to play a game of carom but didn't want because you were playing a friend, would that upset you? I don't think it would. I agree that losing rank if not playing isn't fair but if we think away from the current game set up then it could work! Love the debate both ways it's the only thread on snooker alive
dgeneratio
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21:45 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Maybe at times as i like Carom and Carom is hard to Rank as it is so not going to bother and keep it as 759 as thats equivalent to Pro in any other type.

unless its friendly or don't lose rank if you're forced to enter but not play thats not your fault, it is the systems.

If i really wanted to enter i would enter manually but people don't get that, they want to force me by saying, if you don't, you lose rank, i don't care about rank except in Carom where i worked hard and if i chose to enter Carom under new system, you will have newbies who can't play Carom, it isn't fair on them either.

Can come out with any counter you like but even if Nick approved, i wouldn't, If he was in a position to enter, i would play as a guest and tell friends the guest number. Don't want to but if that is what it takes then i would do it.

I get fed up of replying going round in circles as each post goes by, it makes me more frustrated that people don't understand.

Forcing is like Phoenix (sorry had to go there) where i got manipulated and almost forced to sub into matches, does that sound like the thing you want for the site? I won't go through it again. Then the replying is like explaining the Pool League Guidelines about if a player is inactive for 2 weeks, Other team has power and should be protected, Most People didn't get it, spent 3 days explaining the same thing until i got too frustrated. I'm not at that point yet but i'm tired of explaining the same things.
d_legend
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21:46 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
daviking

You are the most bizarre person I've ever encountered in my life.
crazy_dave
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22:03 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Dgen this is the point I'm trying to make, you're only looking at this from how you see it now. referencing arguments on pool or here isn't what this is about. You're not being forced but I personally like the idea of everyone being entered into a game when logging in. If we could have the option of defaulting away from this then your argument is stale because it won't effect the ones that prefer to log in play friends or play ranked.

Daviking I would love to read your disatation once finished.

The serious question - this being for person asking, if both pool and snooker were gone it won't effect anyone on this site away from the gaming world? That's true but I've wasted 15 years on both sites even the last 10 as staff but if they were gone I'd be gutted, I love the site but would it change my life? NO.... I mean the ones how make friends on here can keep contact on other sites like Facebook. I think this is the point being asked. A great discussion point
dgeneratio
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22:18 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I would miss it but would find another pool or snooker site. but it would affect me as not all funky friends use Facebook, Seb, Destiny and Zante for example. I lost contact with Johnnydollar years ago due to inactivity.

I don't use a Phone so i could only Email.

It would affect me gaming wise as well as this PC has only 1.5 GB RAM but grateful from parents for buying the tower, or i wouldn't be here now and would be bored if i'm honest.

By end of year i'm hoping to get a cheap 8 GB RAM gaming tower so i can play other games such as World of Tanks, Armored Warfare, World of Warships (4 GB Recommended) and buy XCOM 2 and then wait for Pokemon Phoenix Rising which is a fanmade Pokemon game.

I don't work and don't go out much so most of my life is about gaming.

I'm hoping when i get a better PC i can stream game on Twitch but for some Youtubers i watch, Gaming changed their lives, One went to Uni and One was in the Navy so they had lives. I don't have an exciting life but i enjoy it.
dgeneratio
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22:22 Thu 5 May 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Dgen this is the point I'm trying to make, you're only looking at this from how you see it now. referencing arguments on pool or here isn't what this is about. You're not being forced but I personally like the idea of everyone being entered into a game when logging in. If we could have the option of defaulting away from this then your argument is stale because it won't effect the ones that prefer to log in play friends or play ranked.


It is similar examples so it matters to me, I have been manipulated on Pool in the League before and won't have it again with tournaments.

If their would be an option not to automatically be entered in tournaments then that is great and best for both worlds. You lot can automatically enter and i can play friendlies without being forced to play.

Yes my argument would then be stale but for now it isn't.
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