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dgeneratio
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14:52 Wed 21 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Because their was no games for 7 days, before then it seemed ok but since then we have struggled and i had to let a few quarantined players play to make ends meet. To me, it feels like the League almost has no prestige anymore, More prestige than tournaments but not as important as it once was.

Just strange as a League which has arguments and politics (Pool) has always done better than a site what has no politics and little arguments (Would still be some about defaults but thats natural) (Snooker). Pool has always had and still has that prestige factor about it and can compensate for two teams per league whereas Snooker can barely support one team.

Last night i asked someone on here to join DFE on Pool but at the time thought DFE was Snooker but said how bad the league is struggling and its the last set on here. I would have liked to have him on Snooker and a former teammate of mine in D&C but with Leagues future being uncertain and he would have to wait 4 weeks to play then it didn't seem worth him joining.

If people want to wait longer than Oct 16th i'm fine with that as it gives me more time to do Excel and regardless of the Leagues choice, i'll be working on Excel if it returned. Could do with more than 5 or 6 per team but before i ask anyone i need to know what the situation is otherwise it isn't worth their time.
allypunk
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17:02 Wed 21 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
ill play next season if it will help the numbers
buckjam
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17:39 Wed 21 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant we try seeding the players that want to play? Make it a closer and more competitive league. People will drift if they have no chance in a competition from the start. It used to be said that the better players want to stick with their mates. Dont seem to be enough on to make that so. 4 or 5 in a team. 1 cup match and 1 league match. 2 weeks to play them.
dgeneratio
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17:58 Wed 21 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
sounds good on paper but not everyone may not get along so may not be beneficial way to do things unless people want of course. I have thought of doing an event like that for a long time however on Pool. Other thing would be how to do Rankings?

1 league, 1 cup in 2 weeks is fine but same problem with 4-6 in a team with limited subs.
haggisdcfc
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20:19 Wed 21 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree with him slightly, sometimes I feel like its a burden to get people to play their games due to life , jobs etc which is fair enough.

but I'm willing to play another season, personally I think we would maybe have to join a couple of clans together to get games played more
dgeneratio
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20:30 Wed 21 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree with him slightly, sometimes I feel like its a burden to get people to play their games due to life , jobs etc which is fair enough.

but I'm willing to play another season, personally I think we would maybe have to join a couple of clans together to get games played more


Were already on 5 clans mate, If we go lower than 4, i'll have to fold the league as we can't have a league with 3 clans. We could with 4 at a push though.
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20:55 Wed 21 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
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daviking
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23:44 Fri 23 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I'm in

immortal has it pot on with making sure its not rushed, its odd to be expected to check emails or a website almost every day, most people will only do that at weekends or whatever.

I think more rigid times for games would help too. Just set the game, date and time when the fixture is announced. Keeps it simple and efficient for everyone.

All in all I've found it great fun, nice and light hearted (mostly, there were one or two who took it way to seriously as with most things) but as you would expect they disappeared after a wee while
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02:14 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I meant not rushed as in start work on the new season just now but kind of promote it as well especially on pool, more time promoted the more chance players will become interested and maybe a clan or two could form under FTL rules anyway.

The game times are already rigid with set deadlines so i am not sure where you are coming from... most people who play in clans are only daily or at least every two days most of the time, if you can not do that then no point playing in clans really. Its the people that spend ages offline and i mean like maybe a week plus that hurt the league. Look at BB for example, the captain aint been on in over 15 days...
daviking
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10:27 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
The game times are already rigid with set deadlines so i am not sure where you are coming from...


I mean like :

Big Breakers vs Anger Management
arc: daviking vs thegame26 - Saturday 24th Sept 20:00 GMT

There is nothing in place just now, so every time its a case of bouncing messages back and forth, which invariably ends up in someone saying "give me a date and time" so why have all that hassle when it can just be sorted from the outset

Makes defaults etc really simple too.
dgeneratio
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10:56 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
The game times are already rigid with set deadlines so i am not sure where you are coming from...


I mean like :

Big Breakers vs Anger Management
arc: daviking vs thegame26 - Saturday 24th Sept 20:00 GMT

There is nothing in place just now, so every time its a case of bouncing messages back and forth, which invariably ends up in someone saying "give me a date and time" so why have all that hassle when it can just be sorted from the outset

Makes defaults etc really simple too.


Because plans can change, the idea is to give times then find common times you can both make and check those times.

e.g. Pool Example.

__start__ can only play 5-8
the__priest can play from 6-10

Note: Pure Example

Common time is 6-8 pm so both players check from 6 pm until Start leaves at 8 pm. Can be played at anytime of course but if early and you see them on a message should be provided alerting them you can play earlier or can wait until Common Times.

Same can be said for Days of the week (e.g. Start can't do Friday so Priest doesn't check Friday from 6-8 pm but Mon, Tues, Weds, Thurs, Sat, Sun Priest checks).

If no Common times can be found, a player must Sub or Swap to try and play someone with common times
dgeneratio
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11:10 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I meant not rushed as in start work on the new season just now but kind of promote it as well especially on pool, more time promoted the more chance players will become interested and maybe a clan or two could form under FTL rules anyway.

The game times are already rigid with set deadlines so i am not sure where you are coming from... most people who play in clans are only daily or at least every two days most of the time, if you can not do that then no point playing in clans really. Its the people that spend ages offline and i mean like maybe a week plus that hurt the league. Look at BB for example, the captain aint been on in over 15 days...


Sure i can wait as long as it takes, Normally a 7 day break as players were bored between seasons (Pool) and would be a busy week for me to update Hall of Fame on Site and Update all matches this Season but if people don't mind waiting and check forum every few days for updates then we can promote properly.

Biggest factor with long breaks (or any breaks) is Offline Time.
dgeneratio
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11:11 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
and can't be a set time (except Killer) as people have jobs and work day and night and other commitments.

Funky is just a hobby for most but a job for me
daviking
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11:28 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
that would be awful!

Thing is, if its a set time, people are either there or not. It always ends up with someone setting a date any time anyway. So clearly the fairest way is for the dates and times to be set from the beginning so everyone knows where they stand. Life dosn't allow for knowing you will be free between certain times, you need the times then do your best to make yourself free, like getting babysitters or finding a public wifi at a station or park or wherever.
dgeneratio
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12:03 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
No it isn't, i know times of majority of league but not going to say, right Trats you're playing at 5 am whether you like or not.

This isn't how it works.
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14:11 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Yeah you can not do that, for sure.

It is down to the players to try and find a common time to play the game they are in, if James went and set times on everything it would be a mess and i think more games would go to default especially as players also have to take into account time difference as well while setting up a game.

For someone who does mention a fair amount that this is just a site and it is not life (in which i agree by the way) you keep mentioning putting set times on everything and even on single games as well. If you set a time with your opponent when you think you will be able to play and they can do that time as well then great, if you don't make it then they will understand and another time and day can be spoken about. If James was to set times on everything it would be a mess taking into account people work, time zones and family life as well, just would not work.
dgeneratio
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14:17 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Yeah, if nick paid people to play Funky it would be different as would be a profession and turn into sort of a job like real snooker but he doesn't so people are going to enjoy themselves in the real world. I'm a virtual man and i admit it so times usually aren't an issue for me but my plans can change depending on my schedule.

What we have now is ok, Find common times and play, no shows usually punished at default unless their effort over matches yours.

We keep having a saying on here, "Don't Fix what isn't broken" and way games are arranged isn't an issue, Its general online activity what is making the numbers go down to almost the point where i have to close league again.
daviking
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14:51 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Thats ok, it was just mentioned above how people found it a chore to get games played so suggested a way to simplify it.

Just to explain why I suggested it; fixed times would minimise how disruptive it is, as you would either immediately be able to say no, or know you just have to pop on at the allotted time, no messaging or waiting involved
dgeneratio
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15:03 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
but without messages how do you know when they play?
daviking
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15:20 Sat 24 Sep 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Because you set the time
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